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so erling thank you very much for

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joining me today how are you

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i'm fine thank you very nice to be part

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of your show too

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thank you i really wanted to speak to

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you for quite some time because i find

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the hestalin lights um such a a

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phenomenal

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part of i suppose the ufo subjects but

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also part of science as well

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um but before we talk about the lights

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would you be able to give us a

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background on yourself please

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yes uh i'm

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just now working at astral university

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college

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and i my primary work is doing lecturing

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in

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technology so that's

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so i'm teaching students on different

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topics

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run this project testdown which we will

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talk about

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i also

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try to involve some of my students in my

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project well backs but my my basic uh

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income is from my lecturing at the

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university college i say fabulous um and

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so with regards to hess stalin um can

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you just tell us about what it's like as

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a place just to give us a bit of a

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picture of it

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yes heston is a small valley in norway

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it's only 15 kilometers long

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and at the most about five kilometers

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only about a little bit more than 100

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people are living there

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it's up in the

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mountains in the southern part of norway

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it's

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small valley in norway

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well i use the word ordinary it's not

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ordinary that's that was wrong

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name of it

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fabulous thank you um

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and so with regards to the hairstyle and

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lights for anybody that may not have

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heard of it before would you be able to

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just give us a

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breakdown of what it involves

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well uh in that valley uh

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the inhabitants started to see

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bright lights moving just outside their

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houses

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that the high intensity with up to 20

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observation a week

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started in that small valley

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many people saw it and

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sometimes there was a little bit too

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afraid of course well if you can imagine

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you're sitting inside your house

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out in the countryside

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looking out on the windows

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and suddenly there is a

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great big light moving outside crossing

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your window

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i think more people would have been

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afraid

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so that

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went on and people started to talk about

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and we have

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done some study of it we started the

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project back in

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1983 in fact two years after the whole

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thing started well

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the the big activity started

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it had been going on earlier as well

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but not so much as it did back in late

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and our study have

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we can split that in

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split phenomena

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different types which are quite

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[Music]

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quite different

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white or blue

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flashes

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down to a fraction of a second

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so many times it can be hard to see

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we was aware of those when we

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some lights on a flashing light in in in

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our pictures

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balls of light

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with different shapes

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different behavior in the way it moves

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can be so strong that it has eliminated

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the ground beneath it

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and then start moving again

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about a couple of hours

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uh the shape is not always a ball of

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name this type different types

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not only ball of light which is moving

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differently and and all these different

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shapes and speeds and so on

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big box uh

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uh which seems to stick together

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some kind of clouds of different

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this type has also been seen

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when it's not completely dark outside

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those who have seen it they say there is

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something black object this light are

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but when it's seen when it's completely

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dark we only see the different lights

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a little bit around but they stick to

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the same place

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that was the third one

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well i forgot to mention the third one

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forgot when i mentioned it

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type 2

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with a ball of light which are mostly

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yellow that can also have another light

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attached to it with a different color

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mostly red

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of those reports

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there has also been seen lights in the

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daytime

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that late lights in the daytime is more

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type 2 with the ball of light

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the shape

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can be really strange

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a cube

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cube or more maybe rectangular

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was very dark and that size

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anyway that's uh that's uh

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and these these sightings you know

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in this small valley only 50 kilometers

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that that's a mystery

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that is very much a mystery and so how

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did it come to your attention and

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many people

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there were a lot of articles and and

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in the newspaper

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and many people went up to the

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valley

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uh to see it for themselves

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many people did see it for themselves

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a group of my uh some of my friends we

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decided to go up there and

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have a look

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see if we could see it

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he went out in the

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you know this is the rural area not

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many houses and so on

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located each other on different uh

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mountains tops and

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was looking down into the headstone

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and we communicated with walkie talkie

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something small light in the mountain

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side or something

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imagine and if you think you're standing

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very dark

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and suddenly these lights show up

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so strong

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and it was moving slowly and around

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spotlight it had spotlight actually

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did this continued for one and a half

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not shocked but i was

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then i knew

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this was real

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when you see that for yourself

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yes at that time

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i was working as a as a researcher

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everyone believe that that university

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start studying or that research

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establishment would start stopping but

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none did do anything

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so i and some

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fellows some some friends

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we met and discussed what should we do

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about it

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should we just

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have a look and see what's going on we

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we we must try to

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yeah and that's

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the start of what we call project

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testing

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back in 1983

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i think very impressive to to see those

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kind of things and

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for yourself as well so i can imagine it

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was you know eye-opening

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um so

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how did you then plan to study it i mean

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to capture video and photographs but did

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you have any other equipment to kind of

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measure it or try and figure out what it

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instruments

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in the field work the first field work

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which was run in 19 in the winter of

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1984.

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we planned this field work very

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precisely

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discussed with different research

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establishment in norway and also abroad

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we we started the project in the

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and during the autumn we we planned to

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have a field work in january and

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february 1984

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so during that

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half a year

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we we

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start working with getting

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people

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getting

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help from research establishments

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getting instruments

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we borrowed all the instruments with a

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lot of help from from the military and

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so on we cooperated with with the

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military

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so we managed to get a bunch of

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instruments which we brought up in the

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histone valley

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and we had a

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small cabin we or or

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we on wheels which we put out in in the

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field and

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had

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these instruments running

327
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uh so we measured the the phenomena we

328
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call it the phenomena

329
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in the beginning everyone called

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called it ufo

331
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world

332
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but it turned out

333
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when i used that word ufo

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in discussing with scientists

335
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at both at the military research

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establishment and at the different

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universities

338
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the scientists was a little bit

339
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skeptical you know at that time you

340
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shouldn't study ufo

341
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so we decided to change the name

342
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so instead of ufo we call it the heston

343
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phenomena

344
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and after we change the name

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it

346
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each

347
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easier to involve

348
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the different

349
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scientists and those

350
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we needed help from

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so

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during

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that month in

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in

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january and february

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we did a lot of different

357
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readings on the instruments and we had

358
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people out looking

359
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for the phenomena and the cameras and so

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on

361
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so

362
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we we was lucky we was

363
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at the spot

364
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because well this started uh in in

365
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late november december 1981

366
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and we had the fieldwork in january

367
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1984 that's a long time

368
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but we were lucky because the activity

369
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was very high

370
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all the time

371
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so we managed to during that

372
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nearly one month of

373
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operation

374
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with up to 40 people present

375
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:32,000
uh we managed to get i think it was 55

376
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um

377
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visual observation

378
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which we defined as the histone

379
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phenomena

380
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actually during that period we got

381
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more than 180 reports

382
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and because we wanted the people to

383
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report everything they

384
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they saw

385
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but we have

386
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examined the different reports after the

387
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field work

388
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and

389
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come to the number of 55

390
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if

391
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with

392
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which are so strange

393
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that it was the heston femina

394
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wow

395
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that's a that's still a big number at 55

396
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for just such a you know the two-month

397
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period and so

398
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during that time did you start forming

399
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any theories or hypotheses early on or

400
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now i hold back because

401
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the

402
00:18:45,430 --> 00:18:42,720
most important thing was to get

403
00:18:47,270 --> 00:18:45,440
more scientific data

404
00:18:51,510 --> 00:18:47,280
so we which

405
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that any theories could build upon

406
00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:54,960
so it's not only free fantasy

407
00:19:00,549 --> 00:18:57,919
we have to have data so that has been

408
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:00,559
focused all the time

409
00:19:06,710 --> 00:19:05,120
to to get the necessary data

410
00:19:07,750 --> 00:19:06,720
yeah i think that's really interesting

411
00:19:09,669 --> 00:19:07,760
that

412
00:19:12,470 --> 00:19:09,679
i think some people might just really

413
00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:12,480
just really want to know so badly that

414
00:19:17,110 --> 00:19:14,799
they push too quickly to try and get the

415
00:19:19,029 --> 00:19:17,120
answers but i think it like you say it's

416
00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,039
the right thing is to get the data take

417
00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:21,440
your time and study it properly

418
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,600
um so did you see much change uh after

419
00:19:30,230 --> 00:19:27,280
those first two months with the

420
00:19:31,590 --> 00:19:30,240
frequency of sightings the the type of

421
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,600
sightings or the data that you were

422
00:19:36,549 --> 00:19:33,679
getting like

423
00:19:41,350 --> 00:19:36,559
how did the uh investigation progress

424
00:19:47,669 --> 00:19:45,270
after the field work in 184

425
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:47,679
we had a lot of data

426
00:19:53,110 --> 00:19:50,799
we had a lot of meeting discussing the

427
00:19:55,990 --> 00:19:53,120
different data we got

428
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,000
with different scientists

429
00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:01,669
i report a technical report

430
00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:04,080
which people can find

431
00:20:12,950 --> 00:20:05,120
on

432
00:20:18,390 --> 00:20:15,909
my full report is out there

433
00:20:19,590 --> 00:20:18,400
and you can read all about our

434
00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:19,600
measurements

435
00:20:24,390 --> 00:20:21,760
and what we did

436
00:20:27,909 --> 00:20:26,390
we

437
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,919
decided

438
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,679
to go on

439
00:20:34,870 --> 00:20:31,679
another year

440
00:20:37,390 --> 00:20:34,880
do a new field work

441
00:20:39,350 --> 00:20:37,400
the year after in january

442
00:20:41,750 --> 00:20:39,360
1985

443
00:20:43,190 --> 00:20:41,760
which we did

444
00:20:45,990 --> 00:20:43,200
but

445
00:20:49,750 --> 00:20:46,000
it seems that the activity

446
00:20:52,950 --> 00:20:49,760
had gone down to a much lower level

447
00:20:56,710 --> 00:20:52,960
so during the 1985

448
00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:56,720
field work with a lot of people as usual

449
00:21:00,830 --> 00:20:59,919
better equipped and everything he was

450
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:00,840
better

451
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:06,799
more bad weather as well i should should

452
00:21:09,669 --> 00:21:08,880
point out that

453
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:09,679
but

454
00:21:14,549 --> 00:21:10,559
we

455
00:21:17,909 --> 00:21:14,559
only got one good observation

456
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:17,919
so sadly that was too little

457
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:18,799
to

458
00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:24,559
make a new field work the year after

459
00:21:31,270 --> 00:21:27,520
so but anyway we got the data we had

460
00:21:33,430 --> 00:21:31,280
mostly from 1984 though

461
00:21:34,310 --> 00:21:33,440
and we wanted to

462
00:21:38,230 --> 00:21:34,320
get

463
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,240
the science the community more involved

464
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,679
so we started to talk about that and and

465
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,960
so on

466
00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:49,590
sorry come on yep

467
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:51,590
so when did it really change and

468
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:53,679
progress any further like did you have

469
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,559
any

470
00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:57,120
uh collaborations with researchers or

471
00:22:02,310 --> 00:21:58,480
even other countries

472
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:02,320
over say the 80s you know because

473
00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:05,440
or or what point did you

474
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:07,440
take it to the next step

475
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:08,880
well in the

476
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:12,559
80s i mainly discussed with

477
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:16,400
the norwegian scientists

478
00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:20,480
we had some few communication with

479
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:22,799
scientists abroad too but

480
00:22:28,870 --> 00:22:26,080
the activity the the work was done by

481
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:28,880
norwegian scientists

482
00:22:34,950 --> 00:22:31,360
with this the actually the project went

483
00:22:40,630 --> 00:22:34,960
down to a very low level because we we

484
00:22:45,070 --> 00:22:41,590
but

485
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,080
it seems that the activity still

486
00:22:50,310 --> 00:22:47,520
continued up there

487
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:50,320
even though in a much lower level than

488
00:22:58,230 --> 00:22:54,799
it was in the early 80s

489
00:22:59,950 --> 00:22:58,240
i discovered that when i was visiting

490
00:23:03,830 --> 00:22:59,960
heston in

491
00:23:07,590 --> 00:23:03,840
1993 that's eight years after our last

492
00:23:09,990 --> 00:23:07,600
field work which we had in 1985

493
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,000
i had a presentation of the

494
00:23:15,190 --> 00:23:12,240
inhabitants up there because they wanted

495
00:23:17,350 --> 00:23:15,200
to know what had happened since we had

496
00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:17,360
this field work

497
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,720
so i went up there and told them about

498
00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:23,760
had been to different conferences there

499
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:26,320
are a lot different me

500
00:23:31,270 --> 00:23:29,280
foreign media started to

501
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:31,280
tell about it

502
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:33,280
and so on

503
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,679
and

504
00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,559
then

505
00:23:40,630 --> 00:23:39,039
during my presentation or after my

506
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:40,640
presentation

507
00:23:45,510 --> 00:23:44,000
the people said well it still continues

508
00:23:47,990 --> 00:23:45,520
they said

509
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:48,000
i was very surprised because i hadn't

510
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:51,120
heard anything about it and i asked well

511
00:24:11,029 --> 00:23:51,840
i

512
00:24:14,630 --> 00:24:11,039
and

513
00:24:17,669 --> 00:24:14,640
people come up with all different

514
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:17,679
stupid explanations

515
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,480
so

516
00:24:23,350 --> 00:24:20,240
we we stopped

517
00:24:28,070 --> 00:24:25,029
well i

518
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:28,080
thought maybe we should start a project

519
00:24:33,269 --> 00:24:29,279
again

520
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:33,279
it's been a long time since we had

521
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:36,880
the last field day expedition

522
00:24:45,190 --> 00:24:41,600
so i started a project has done again

523
00:24:47,909 --> 00:24:45,200
used the companion at my college store

524
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:51,669
field works in 84 and 85 was a group of

525
00:24:57,750 --> 00:24:54,640
five people who was

526
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:57,760
working with this and we had 40 people

527
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,520
participating

528
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:01,679
but now

529
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:02,960
i had

530
00:25:07,510 --> 00:25:05,679
one companion at my

531
00:25:09,269 --> 00:25:07,520
university college

532
00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:09,279
which wanted to

533
00:25:11,430 --> 00:25:10,320
to

534
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,440
go on

535
00:25:14,789 --> 00:25:13,279
with this

536
00:25:17,510 --> 00:25:14,799
we had a

537
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:17,520
scientific workshop

538
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:18,559
with

539
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:19,600
several

540
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:21,600
scientists from

541
00:25:26,630 --> 00:25:23,919
eight different countries

542
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:26,640
wow around the world

543
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,520
the states russia

544
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,760
and different countries in

545
00:25:34,950 --> 00:25:33,200
in europe

546
00:25:38,630 --> 00:25:34,960
uh and

547
00:25:41,750 --> 00:25:38,640
even japan was part of it

548
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:41,760
they went to heston we had a workshop

549
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:46,080
we discussed what to do and so on

550
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:48,000
and what

551
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,919
what the good thing was that the press

552
00:25:57,830 --> 00:25:54,400
changed attitude

553
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:57,840
when they saw that there was a

554
00:26:01,830 --> 00:25:58,720
great

555
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:01,840
scientist from abroad

556
00:26:07,110 --> 00:26:05,520
who came to histor to discuss the

557
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:07,120
phenomena

558
00:26:11,310 --> 00:26:08,159
so

559
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:11,320
the result was that the

560
00:26:18,789 --> 00:26:14,480
ridiculing of the people who saw this

561
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:18,799
nearly stopped or was much lower

562
00:26:26,789 --> 00:26:24,630
i think the people uh

563
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:26,799
up there

564
00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,000
was relaxing a little bit it was

565
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:32,720
i was not so afraid of telling about

566
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,880
what i was seeing anymore

567
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,440
that that's great

568
00:26:43,510 --> 00:26:40,080
uh well we

569
00:26:44,390 --> 00:26:43,520
picked up an automatic station

570
00:26:45,909 --> 00:26:44,400
i

571
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:45,919
had my students

572
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:46,880
to

573
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,840
make

574
00:26:53,990 --> 00:26:50,080
an automatic station with their

575
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:54,000
computers and cameras and so on and

576
00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,360
we we put it up in histone

577
00:27:00,789 --> 00:26:59,520
and it has been working it's still

578
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:00,799
working

579
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,080
in fact

580
00:27:07,750 --> 00:27:04,240
got data

581
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:07,760
and get uh get uh

582
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:11,520
mostly uh data on on your video and a

583
00:27:17,590 --> 00:27:14,159
small film footages

584
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:17,600
uh which are captured automatically we

585
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,559
don't need to be there anymore

586
00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:22,399
that's really helpful

587
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:23,679
yeah

588
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:27,600
i should also mention that another thing

589
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:29,440
we did do

590
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:31,760
was to involve

591
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:34,559
young norwegian students

592
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:37,360
together with their teachers

593
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:40,000
where they stay up in his town

594
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:41,279
one week

595
00:27:43,590 --> 00:27:42,640
during the

596
00:27:44,549 --> 00:27:43,600
autumn

597
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:44,559
no

598
00:27:50,710 --> 00:27:48,399
september or october it's cold up there

599
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:50,720
though

600
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:51,760
and

601
00:27:58,389 --> 00:27:54,640
we got young classes

602
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,399
in the beginning of the 15 16 years old

603
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,679
students together with the teachers

604
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:04,159
we brought instruments up there

605
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,559
we call it the whole thing science camp

606
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:10,480
and

607
00:28:20,310 --> 00:28:11,200
the

608
00:28:24,470 --> 00:28:21,269
on

609
00:28:25,510 --> 00:28:24,480
the learning process so it was

610
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:25,520
great

611
00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:27,360
and

612
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:31,600
we we told the student that

613
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:35,679
no one knows what this phenomena is

614
00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:37,360
and

615
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:40,240
now you must help us

616
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,080
to find the answer

617
00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,200
and maybe you can get the data which are

618
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:47,919
needed for a teaching book you

619
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:50,880
can imagine those young students

620
00:28:56,230 --> 00:28:54,240
was used to read a book

621
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:56,240
of how it is

622
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:57,360
and

623
00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:00,480
i must learn what's in the book

624
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,440
because

625
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:03,760
that's uh that's

626
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:05,440
but now

627
00:29:13,909 --> 00:29:09,919
the situation completely different uh

628
00:29:17,029 --> 00:29:13,919
now we said we don't have this

629
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:17,039
textbook we don't have this

630
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,480
information

631
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:20,640
and you must help us

632
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:23,200
and that made some attitude in the

633
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:26,399
students that was very very eager

634
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:27,760
to do

635
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:30,240
the study do the work

636
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:32,880
and they learned a lot so

637
00:29:38,789 --> 00:29:36,880
on the pedagogical way in teaching way

638
00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:38,799
this was very good

639
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:45,110
it was very popular as well even if the

640
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:46,480
if the

641
00:29:50,909 --> 00:29:48,559
the

642
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:50,919
it was cold and not

643
00:29:57,029 --> 00:29:54,320
comfortable they stayed in intents

644
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,039
out in the yeah in the wilderness

645
00:30:01,909 --> 00:29:59,279
wilderness

646
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,919
with instruments

647
00:30:07,190 --> 00:30:03,440
but even though

648
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:07,200
i thought it was very very exciting

649
00:30:13,029 --> 00:30:08,640
and so

650
00:30:16,070 --> 00:30:13,039
we started that it's nearly 20 years ago

651
00:30:17,430 --> 00:30:16,080
and we still have it

652
00:30:20,389 --> 00:30:17,440
but we have

653
00:30:23,190 --> 00:30:20,399
now we have students which are older we

654
00:30:25,350 --> 00:30:23,200
have students from our college which are

655
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,360
18 years or more

656
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,640
so we are more grown-up people

657
00:30:32,789 --> 00:30:30,799
wow that's amazing it does sound like it

658
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:32,799
would have been very exciting

659
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,240
i certainly would have loved to have

660
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:37,120
been a part of something like that

661
00:30:39,669 --> 00:30:38,159
yes

662
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,679
now would it be possible if we could

663
00:30:43,590 --> 00:30:41,360
actually have a look at some of these

664
00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:43,600
these captures that you've caught over

665
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,520
the years is that okay

666
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,640
yes of course i can share my screen let

667
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:50,399
me see if i pick up

668
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,720
several pictures of course

669
00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,279
maybe i should start with uh

670
00:30:59,509 --> 00:30:57,679
this is the light i saw

671
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,519
uh the first time

672
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:02,640
my first observation

673
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,640
let me take down that was back in 1982

674
00:31:10,470 --> 00:31:09,120
my first field work with my

675
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,480
friends

676
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,840
going up there

677
00:31:16,470 --> 00:31:13,600
and i just

678
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:16,480
knew that it was real

679
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:19,039
let me see if i can pick up

680
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,320
some other uh interesting top well i

681
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:23,679
mentioned that

682
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,110
which

683
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:33,750
you can see the blue box on the bottom

684
00:31:39,110 --> 00:31:36,880
sure and you have we made a tower with

685
00:31:40,470 --> 00:31:39,120
some instruments and cameras and so on

686
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:40,480
radar

687
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:42,080
on top of it

688
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:45,440
uh that blue box is still in

689
00:31:52,549 --> 00:31:46,640
in

690
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,559
did the phenomena show up on radar yeah

691
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:54,480
wow

692
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,950
we haven't

693
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:04,080
got it on that radar we had it on the

694
00:32:08,789 --> 00:32:06,240
first radar we had

695
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,799
in 1984.

696
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:11,360
the reason why we don't have it here

697
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,480
is this is digital and pick up all

698
00:32:18,149 --> 00:32:16,559
different kind of stuff

699
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:18,159
so it's a very

700
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:22,159
difficult to to adjust so we get only

701
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:23,440
only the

702
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:29,430
see if i can pick up

703
00:32:36,350 --> 00:32:33,519
some other yeah maybe the station we had

704
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:40,470
1984 when we had the first field work

705
00:32:46,389 --> 00:32:44,080
i mentioned that we borrowed the cabin

706
00:32:49,669 --> 00:32:46,399
uh you can see here

707
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:49,679
uh where a lot of instruments we

708
00:32:55,750 --> 00:32:51,760
borrowed that was in

709
00:32:59,990 --> 00:32:55,760
our first field work in 1984.

710
00:33:03,269 --> 00:33:00,000
radar we got it on you see here sure

711
00:33:05,269 --> 00:33:03,279
we have also some antennas and and

712
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,279
so on

713
00:33:09,110 --> 00:33:07,600
so you're with that the instruments

714
00:33:10,950 --> 00:33:09,120
inside here

715
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:10,960
we

716
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:13,440
captured

717
00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:19,909
luckily

718
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,240
i would say because we have had some

719
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,120
problems with the power right

720
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:30,470
many times when

721
00:33:35,269 --> 00:33:32,000
the power

722
00:33:36,870 --> 00:33:35,279
or the fender showed up

723
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:36,880
the power went

724
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:40,000
down it disappeared

725
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:43,679
luckily not not all the times otherwise

726
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,320
we wouldn't have had any data

727
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,159
but

728
00:33:52,389 --> 00:33:50,720
so the year afterwards

729
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,399
we had a new

730
00:33:56,710 --> 00:33:54,480
station

731
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,720
and uh

732
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,399
better equipped

733
00:34:01,830 --> 00:34:00,799
you see the radar on top of it

734
00:34:02,789 --> 00:34:01,840
yeah

735
00:34:09,349 --> 00:34:02,799
and

736
00:34:10,470 --> 00:34:09,359
on better equipped in fact

737
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:10,480
but

738
00:34:16,230 --> 00:34:12,879
during that

739
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:16,240
i should mention also that the power to

740
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:17,440
this

741
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:19,119
box

742
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:23,520
we had a cable down to near's house

743
00:34:28,069 --> 00:34:27,280
this this place was 800 meters away from

744
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:28,079
this

745
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:32,560
so we brought the long cable with us up

746
00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,079
a thick cable uh the first year the year

747
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:37,679
before

748
00:34:46,310 --> 00:34:42,800
we had a not as such a solid thick cable

749
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,320
so that may be one of the reasons why we

750
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:49,520
had problems with the power

751
00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:53,599
so that was in 1985

752
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:54,720
and

753
00:34:59,670 --> 00:34:58,000
during the years we have got it on on

754
00:35:03,030 --> 00:34:59,680
radar

755
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,040
we have a lot of pictures uh

756
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,440
well maybe i should pick up this radar

757
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:06,800
screen

758
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,480
uh you can see the mountains here

759
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,440
yeah here is mountains here's his

760
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:15,760
mountain here and here

761
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:19,040
the mountains is much lighter

762
00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,480
and you see

763
00:35:27,190 --> 00:35:22,960
below these

764
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:27,200
red dots that red dots was made by a

765
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,040
pencil

766
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,760
we we had a plastic in front so we could

767
00:35:34,069 --> 00:35:32,720
mark

768
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:34,079
where the

769
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,240
strange phenomena was

770
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:37,839
showing up

771
00:35:42,710 --> 00:35:41,040
so that's why you see this red one but

772
00:35:46,230 --> 00:35:42,720
when it took the picture you see

773
00:35:49,190 --> 00:35:46,240
something below the red dots yeah and

774
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:49,200
here's the phenomena wow what's what's

775
00:35:55,030 --> 00:35:52,560
strange it that it seems to be very

776
00:35:57,670 --> 00:35:55,040
intense very strong

777
00:36:02,310 --> 00:35:57,680
nearly as strong as the mountain

778
00:36:03,109 --> 00:36:02,320
yes so it gives a very strong reflection

779
00:36:09,030 --> 00:36:03,119
on

780
00:36:10,230 --> 00:36:09,040
something solid

781
00:36:13,270 --> 00:36:10,240
and

782
00:36:14,310 --> 00:36:13,280
we could follow the lights on the radar

783
00:36:17,190 --> 00:36:14,320
screen

784
00:36:20,310 --> 00:36:17,200
and we could also

785
00:36:21,109 --> 00:36:20,320
not always we could see the light but we

786
00:36:23,829 --> 00:36:21,119
could

787
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:23,839
sometimes just follow it

788
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:31,750
when nothing was seen was looking

789
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:35,280
outside to see if there was anything but

790
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,320
it was impossible to see but the radar

791
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:40,560
radar picked it up

792
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,400
wow and this is quite uh fun

793
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:46,720
wow we call it the hand

794
00:36:48,870 --> 00:36:47,440
yeah

795
00:36:52,829 --> 00:36:48,880
that was

796
00:36:59,069 --> 00:36:52,839
first

797
00:37:00,630 --> 00:36:59,079
um tour i had up there in september

798
00:37:04,230 --> 00:37:00,640
1982.

799
00:37:07,030 --> 00:37:04,240
so several pictures was taken

800
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:07,040
let me see if i have some of the

801
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,359
uh

802
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,480
yes and maybe this one is interesting

803
00:37:18,630 --> 00:37:15,440
you see some kind of oscillation

804
00:37:21,430 --> 00:37:18,640
yes see this picture was on long

805
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,440
exposure time

806
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,119
so

807
00:37:27,270 --> 00:37:25,760
the light and the camera was standing on

808
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:27,280
tripol

809
00:37:30,790 --> 00:37:28,880
very stable

810
00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:30,800
and during

811
00:37:37,109 --> 00:37:34,400
the exposure time the light was moving

812
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:37,119
and then it made this

813
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:39,680
track on the film

814
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:40,640
and

815
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:44,240
up here it seems to start oscillating

816
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,640
moving back and forth

817
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,400
and actually i was

818
00:37:54,470 --> 00:37:50,800
saw this in real

819
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:54,480
life i was at the location when it

820
00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:55,440
happened

821
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:58,480
wow uh he stopped the the

822
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:00,800
photographer here that's why it stopped

823
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,599
it continued of course but

824
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,079
no camera

825
00:38:11,109 --> 00:38:08,000
no no picture

826
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,119
and it became bigger and bigger

827
00:38:13,990 --> 00:38:12,400
and

828
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:14,000
until it

829
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:15,280
it

830
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:19,920
too big wow

831
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,839
ah there we go people you can see where

832
00:38:25,829 --> 00:38:24,000
heston is located

833
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,839
and it's uh

834
00:38:30,870 --> 00:38:28,240
just south of trondheim city in the

835
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:30,880
southern part of norway

836
00:38:37,670 --> 00:38:34,480
and it's a small valley it's about from

837
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:37,680
trondheim city it's about 120 kilometers

838
00:38:45,510 --> 00:38:40,079
south

839
00:38:49,109 --> 00:38:45,520
and you see the heston valley is only 15

840
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:49,119
kilometers long there's not so big only

841
00:38:55,349 --> 00:38:52,000
100 inhabitants

842
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:55,359
and you have some mountains in the west

843
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:58,640
mont vinci is most famous monk wrong

844
00:39:02,790 --> 00:39:00,960
neville

845
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:02,800
you have different and different lakes

846
00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:05,040
too

847
00:39:10,310 --> 00:39:06,960
and

848
00:39:13,190 --> 00:39:10,320
if you can see from this mountain

849
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:13,200
along the field towards mount vinsuce

850
00:39:20,550 --> 00:39:16,640
that in that mountain it's a very long

851
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:20,560
mountain several kilometers long

852
00:39:24,710 --> 00:39:22,160
it was actually

853
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,720
down in this mountainside the light was

854
00:39:30,150 --> 00:39:26,240
first seen

855
00:39:32,630 --> 00:39:30,160
as a light standing in the mountain side

856
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:32,640
and us people was wondering what could

857
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:35,839
that be and so on and suddenly they saw

858
00:39:40,630 --> 00:39:37,760
it was moving out from the countryside

859
00:39:43,990 --> 00:39:40,640
they're moving down this

860
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:44,000
or to the right following the valley

861
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:45,920
wow uh

862
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:50,790
direction

863
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:52,800
yeah

864
00:39:57,349 --> 00:39:53,599
and

865
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,359
well maybe i should

866
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:00,079
tell you that

867
00:40:07,750 --> 00:40:03,839
the big flap started in 1981

868
00:40:11,910 --> 00:40:07,760
and in the end of 1984 from

869
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:14,150
let me see we have

870
00:40:19,109 --> 00:40:16,960
maybe i should move on we don't have the

871
00:40:20,950 --> 00:40:19,119
whole night

872
00:40:24,230 --> 00:40:20,960
the whole evening

873
00:40:25,430 --> 00:40:24,240
so anyway

874
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:25,440
the main

875
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:27,040
issue was to

876
00:40:32,309 --> 00:40:29,280
get this

877
00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,319
get scientific data and get it

878
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,680
accepted

879
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,680
sure yes

880
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:39,280
so it was two field works january 21st

881
00:40:45,190 --> 00:40:42,800
to february 26 in 1984

882
00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:45,200
and january 14 to

883
00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,640
28

884
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,560
with instruments

885
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,599
and

886
00:40:53,109 --> 00:40:52,319
february 10th without any instruments

887
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:53,119
well

888
00:40:59,190 --> 00:40:55,440
i mentioned that we had some problems

889
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:59,200
with the power when the phenomena came

890
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:00,079
uh

891
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:03,839
showed up in in the first field work

892
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:07,760
and we got the feeling could it be some

893
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:11,280
uh connection here was there was it due

894
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:14,400
to the phenomena right so we thought

895
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:17,119
maybe we could test that so we had one

896
00:41:22,470 --> 00:41:19,680
period with fuel instruments and one

897
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,480
without any instruments

898
00:41:29,030 --> 00:41:25,280
but sadly we got only one good

899
00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:29,040
observation back in 1985

900
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:31,359
even though this was in the period

901
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:33,440
without any instruments

902
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,880
it is too little to prove anything yes

903
00:41:42,150 --> 00:41:38,960
of course

904
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,160
well we have several uh uh involved

905
00:41:46,790 --> 00:41:43,680
students

906
00:41:48,309 --> 00:41:46,800
uh well the summary we had a

907
00:41:50,069 --> 00:41:48,319
1990

908
00:41:51,910 --> 00:41:50,079
when we started we had started with a

909
00:41:53,270 --> 00:41:51,920
scientific workshop

910
00:41:55,109 --> 00:41:53,280
uh where

911
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:55,119
uh got

912
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:56,640
scientists from eight different

913
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:57,760
countries

914
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:00,400
uh and uh after that

915
00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:03,839
the media started to

916
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:04,960
well

917
00:42:11,430 --> 00:42:07,119
actually the media stopped

918
00:42:16,150 --> 00:42:11,440
ridiculing the people after that

919
00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,160
we set up this automatic station in 1998

920
00:42:20,069 --> 00:42:18,800
we had some cooperation with italian

921
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:20,079
scientists

922
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,359
we had some field works together with

923
00:42:28,870 --> 00:42:26,640
those people from italy we call it the

924
00:42:29,870 --> 00:42:28,880
ember fieldworks

925
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,880
and since

926
00:42:34,309 --> 00:42:32,480
2002 we had science camp for young

927
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,319
students

928
00:42:38,870 --> 00:42:37,520
uh actually in 2010 we had two automatic

929
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:38,880
field stations

930
00:42:45,270 --> 00:42:42,000
uh that was in cooperation with our

931
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:45,280
scientists from france which was also

932
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:48,160
involved and they had some

933
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:51,359
some instruments they wanted to use

934
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:54,960
but they couldn't use our

935
00:42:59,829 --> 00:42:56,960
station because

936
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,839
we had power 220

937
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,880
volt we have internet connection

938
00:43:05,430 --> 00:43:04,000
right

939
00:43:07,109 --> 00:43:05,440
this uh

940
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:07,119
sensors was

941
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:08,880
too sensitive

942
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:12,240
for electrical power so we had to use

943
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:14,800
batteries and so on right

944
00:43:18,309 --> 00:43:17,119
so we decided to

945
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,319
build two

946
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,280
small new automatic station

947
00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:24,720
with investors and solar cells

948
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:27,920
that we did in 2010

949
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:30,480
yeah we changed the name though from you

950
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:32,400
for that

951
00:43:40,390 --> 00:43:38,470
and

952
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:40,400
i mentioned the different categories

953
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,359
strong of lighter blue flashes

954
00:43:47,109 --> 00:43:45,599
lasting from fraction of a second after

955
00:43:49,109 --> 00:43:47,119
a couple of seconds

956
00:43:50,230 --> 00:43:49,119
yellow bowl of light

957
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:50,240
and

958
00:43:54,470 --> 00:43:52,079
which have different shapes you can

959
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,480
stand still from minutes hours

960
00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,480
move slowly and fast

961
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,599
at the most we measure the speed of 30

962
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:02,560
000 kilometers an hour wow

963
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:06,640
30 000 that's much faster than any

964
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,319
airplane yeah so that was picked up by

965
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:12,400
then by the

966
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:16,550
radar

967
00:44:19,190 --> 00:44:17,520
right

968
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:19,200
several lights together

969
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:22,000
yeah connected to an object and objects

970
00:44:29,349 --> 00:44:25,520
have also been seen thus is one of the

971
00:44:33,750 --> 00:44:31,910
as i described we have several of those

972
00:44:37,109 --> 00:44:33,760
two not so many though

973
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:37,119
this was the first one i mentioned i saw

974
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,079
and

975
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,640
it lasted for

976
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,400
more than one hour

977
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:45,839
and if you can see precisely based it's

978
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:50,400
mountain in behind yes

979
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,599
maybe i should

980
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:53,680
move on faster i don't know how long

981
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:55,359
time you want

982
00:44:58,309 --> 00:44:56,880
it's fine

983
00:45:00,870 --> 00:44:58,319
now that's fine we can carry on looking

984
00:45:04,470 --> 00:45:00,880
if you if you want to go yeah yeah yeah

985
00:45:07,510 --> 00:45:04,480
fine excellent excellent blue flashes

986
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,520
lights coming out from the main

987
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:09,359
light this is

988
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:12,560
light moving across the

989
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:13,520
sky

990
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:16,079
during the exposure time

991
00:45:22,390 --> 00:45:19,280
so it makes a track of the film when

992
00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:24,870
and then we saw there was some

993
00:45:33,030 --> 00:45:28,800
lights coming out from this big light

994
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:33,040
that has been also been measured

995
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,000
later

996
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:37,520
coming out or moving into the big light

997
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,400
right

998
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:40,880
it can change shapes

999
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,589
more not so clear

1000
00:45:52,390 --> 00:45:49,440
outer shapes

1001
00:45:54,950 --> 00:45:52,400
and the second flash

1002
00:45:57,430 --> 00:45:54,960
you see there's something inside here

1003
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,440
starting to

1004
00:46:03,430 --> 00:45:59,520
glow a little bit more

1005
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,440
and on the third flash you see only this

1006
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,640
uh

1007
00:46:08,390 --> 00:46:06,160
part

1008
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,400
with a strange

1009
00:46:13,430 --> 00:46:11,440
i mentioned these balls of light which

1010
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,440
have sometimes very

1011
00:46:17,750 --> 00:46:14,720
strange

1012
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:17,760
shapes and so on here you can see what

1013
00:46:27,349 --> 00:46:24,870
i can move very fast

1014
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:27,359
the photographer said that when i took

1015
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:30,720
the picture it disappeared he said

1016
00:46:35,589 --> 00:46:33,520
but what he didn't know

1017
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:35,599
uh is

1018
00:46:39,589 --> 00:46:38,240
well he developed the film that was back

1019
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:39,599
in 80s

1020
00:46:45,030 --> 00:46:42,400
he managed he had managed to get

1021
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:45,040
disappearing onto film

1022
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:46,000
so

1023
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,440
the one of the

1024
00:46:52,309 --> 00:46:49,200
pictures is that it

1025
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,319
makes such a sharp angle if you can

1026
00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,119
imagine you see it here yeah

1027
00:47:00,630 --> 00:46:57,440
when then it disappeared during the

1028
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:00,640
exposure time it moved like that moved

1029
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:03,839
down sharp angle and up like this and

1030
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:10,870
yeah this is another famous observation

1031
00:47:14,470 --> 00:47:11,599
too

1032
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,480
uh this is through a drawing made of the

1033
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:17,280
observer it was standing here in the

1034
00:47:22,710 --> 00:47:21,520
beginning it was moving in front of this

1035
00:47:25,030 --> 00:47:22,720
mountain

1036
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:25,040
and another drawing

1037
00:47:31,349 --> 00:47:28,960
from a bow you can see this fincer this

1038
00:47:33,510 --> 00:47:31,359
is mountain which you see here

1039
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,520
it was the photographer was standing

1040
00:47:38,710 --> 00:47:35,520
here on the small cottage

1041
00:47:41,349 --> 00:47:38,720
and it was moving towards him and it

1042
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,359
turned to

1043
00:47:46,790 --> 00:47:44,640
to the left for him though it was moving

1044
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:46,800
like this

1045
00:47:53,109 --> 00:47:49,440
he managed to take a couple of picture

1046
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:53,119
and that day it was snowing it was foggy

1047
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:56,240
you can imagine the clouds was down on

1048
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:57,599
the mountains

1049
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:01,280
and you see this light even in such

1050
00:48:08,309 --> 00:48:04,960
weather condition wow and he took that

1051
00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:08,319
picture and it moved in the

1052
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:10,480
direction of the

1053
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:11,599
arrow

1054
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,720
and he it disappeared

1055
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:16,559
behind this

1056
00:48:21,270 --> 00:48:18,000
hill

1057
00:48:24,790 --> 00:48:21,280
it was a foggy the clouds was down

1058
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:24,800
and if it had been clear weather you

1059
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:28,079
would have seen the mountain behind here

1060
00:48:31,589 --> 00:48:29,200
okay

1061
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:31,599
so it turned out to be

1062
00:48:34,710 --> 00:48:33,440
possible to see in all weather

1063
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:34,720
conditions

1064
00:48:39,589 --> 00:48:36,400
right

1065
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:39,599
yeah this is another picture

1066
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,200
we call it the truck

1067
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:45,359
we have analyzed some of the pictures to

1068
00:48:54,309 --> 00:48:51,750
most of the pictures we have analyzed

1069
00:48:56,309 --> 00:48:54,319
but the reason why we call it that truck

1070
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:56,319
is that this

1071
00:49:00,790 --> 00:48:59,680
someone has seen this in the backyard of

1072
00:49:05,030 --> 00:49:00,800
the house

1073
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,040
and it was a big as big as the truck wow

1074
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:10,630
yeah here's another story there's a lot

1075
00:49:16,230 --> 00:49:13,200
of different stories here

1076
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:16,240
someone was standing on this mountain

1077
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:20,240
here and i saw a light was coming

1078
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:21,440
from

1079
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,280
the north moving across this lake

1080
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:28,640
and it illuminated

1081
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,400
inside the circle it illuminated um

1082
00:49:36,549 --> 00:49:35,680
it was strong so it uh illuminated the

1083
00:49:40,230 --> 00:49:36,559
big

1084
00:49:42,150 --> 00:49:40,240
sure

1085
00:49:44,549 --> 00:49:42,160
that's a big limit

1086
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:44,559
yes here's a high speed you have

1087
00:49:47,829 --> 00:49:45,839
different uh

1088
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:47,839
i mentioned those

1089
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:49,200
who had

1090
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,800
several lights

1091
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,240
connected

1092
00:49:58,950 --> 00:49:55,520
yeah he has one of the observation

1093
00:50:01,990 --> 00:49:58,960
and he saw it also when it was not

1094
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,000
completely dark it just

1095
00:50:09,109 --> 00:50:05,440
was drawing some kind of black object

1096
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:09,119
with the lights indicated on where it

1097
00:50:14,710 --> 00:50:11,760
was red light in front and two yellow in

1098
00:50:17,270 --> 00:50:14,720
the back and they took a picture

1099
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:17,280
you have this red light in front

1100
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:24,870
and has more

1101
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:28,079
drawings made by the observer

1102
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:28,960
uh

1103
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:32,720
the upper one they tell about a light in

1104
00:50:43,430 --> 00:50:40,309
which connect these lights

1105
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:43,440
this is the shape which has been seen

1106
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,160
the the lower one this is a triangle

1107
00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:50,960
with with the red red light in in the

1108
00:50:56,230 --> 00:50:51,839
top

1109
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,240
this is uh more a daylight observation i

1110
00:51:02,790 --> 00:50:58,960
mentioned also that it has been seen in

1111
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:02,800
the daylight this is a reconstruction

1112
00:51:06,829 --> 00:51:03,839
okay

1113
00:51:10,150 --> 00:51:06,839
it's not the picture of it it's a

1114
00:51:11,750 --> 00:51:10,160
reconstruction of

1115
00:51:14,710 --> 00:51:11,760
the description

1116
00:51:15,910 --> 00:51:14,720
of the phenomena it was

1117
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:15,920
brown

1118
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:17,040
with

1119
00:51:22,870 --> 00:51:18,240
yellow

1120
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,880
lights in front and it was moving slowly

1121
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,839
it was the pictures uh had been taken

1122
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:27,839
you see them there the force in the

1123
00:51:34,630 --> 00:51:30,800
background not so far away very close in

1124
00:51:37,030 --> 00:51:34,640
fact so the distance uh to defend man

1125
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:37,040
was very close a couple of hundred

1126
00:51:41,990 --> 00:51:39,760
meters maybe to the forest so it was

1127
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,000
between the observer and the for on the

1128
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:46,870
there's other

1129
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:50,000
reconstruction of the descriptions or

1130
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:56,390
another one

1131
00:52:03,349 --> 00:52:01,200
and

1132
00:52:05,109 --> 00:52:03,359
there have been

1133
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:05,119
you see the mountain where it has been

1134
00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:06,319
seen

1135
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:13,990
let me call it a ball of light it's not

1136
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:17,280
a ball but you see the shape sure it was

1137
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:18,480
described

1138
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:21,119
as this by the observer

1139
00:52:26,950 --> 00:52:23,359
and uh what's this

1140
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,960
one of the strange thing is that the sun

1141
00:52:29,510 --> 00:52:28,079
was

1142
00:52:32,630 --> 00:52:29,520
from the left

1143
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:32,640
and eliminating this

1144
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,359
on on the left part of it

1145
00:52:40,870 --> 00:52:38,400
but the bright brightest

1146
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,880
side of this light was

1147
00:52:44,950 --> 00:52:43,119
on there on the right side

1148
00:52:47,670 --> 00:52:44,960
so strange

1149
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:47,680
from on the other side of the

1150
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:51,440
from where the sunshine is coming

1151
00:52:57,030 --> 00:52:54,640
yeah this is also a famous uh story uh a

1152
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:57,040
woman was driving her car

1153
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,839
up

1154
00:53:04,870 --> 00:52:59,760
to headstone

1155
00:53:06,549 --> 00:53:04,880
valley

1156
00:53:09,190 --> 00:53:06,559
mitre girl down

1157
00:53:12,309 --> 00:53:09,200
and you have to climb up a little bit

1158
00:53:15,349 --> 00:53:12,319
before you come up to his town

1159
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,359
when she was driving the car in the

1160
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:16,559
darkness

1161
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,640
she noticed it was very bright around

1162
00:53:23,190 --> 00:53:22,000
the car

1163
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:23,200
um

1164
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:26,400
so some few meters afterwards when she

1165
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:29,520
was up here in heston

1166
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:30,800
she saw

1167
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:32,079
this

1168
00:53:35,589 --> 00:53:33,119
hat

1169
00:53:36,470 --> 00:53:35,599
it was moving

1170
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,480
in

1171
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,880
to the valley it didn't follow the car

1172
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:41,040
anymore it

1173
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,359
moved

1174
00:53:51,510 --> 00:53:45,520
in

1175
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:51,520
and but she noticed

1176
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:54,240
the shape of it

1177
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,400
here's another one i mentioned the

1178
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,240
daylight

1179
00:54:02,150 --> 00:54:00,559
objects

1180
00:54:05,589 --> 00:54:02,160
this

1181
00:54:08,829 --> 00:54:05,599
is a drawing made of the observer

1182
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:08,839
and he described it it looked like some

1183
00:54:16,950 --> 00:54:13,440
metallic and outside there was a glowing

1184
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,960
light which was uh

1185
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:18,880
onto this

1186
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:22,000
object he called it the object though

1187
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,520
right

1188
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,599
and it

1189
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,760
was in the daytime

1190
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:30,160
it slowly

1191
00:54:34,870 --> 00:54:32,800
was visible

1192
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:34,880
and

1193
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:38,079
it wasn't visible the whole thing at

1194
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:41,119
once but the part of it started to be

1195
00:54:44,710 --> 00:54:42,240
visible

1196
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:44,720
uh and after some

1197
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:47,520
so not a long time it more and more of

1198
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:50,880
it become visible and then after

1199
00:54:55,990 --> 00:54:53,760
and some

1200
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,000
seconds i think

1201
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,480
he saw the whole thing

1202
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:01,359
this description has also been seen by

1203
00:55:04,950 --> 00:55:02,400
another

1204
00:55:06,390 --> 00:55:04,960
witness down in the valley

1205
00:55:10,390 --> 00:55:06,400
right

1206
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,400
yeah the field works 1984 and 1985 and

1207
00:55:15,510 --> 00:55:12,960
the field works i mentioned

1208
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,520
uh some of the instruments inside

1209
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:18,079
there's a lot of different

1210
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,960
and we have some camera with crating uh

1211
00:55:25,349 --> 00:55:23,040
we had infrared view

1212
00:55:28,150 --> 00:55:25,359
spectrum analyzer to see if there was

1213
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,160
some electromagnetic noise

1214
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,720
we had a seismograph

1215
00:55:35,990 --> 00:55:32,880
installed in the valley

1216
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:36,000
to measure if there was any movement in

1217
00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:37,040
the

1218
00:55:40,470 --> 00:55:38,880
ground

1219
00:55:44,309 --> 00:55:40,480
so it could be

1220
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:44,319
some small seismic activity

1221
00:55:46,630 --> 00:55:45,520
but

1222
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:46,640
not

1223
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:49,520
anything was measured of

1224
00:55:56,309 --> 00:55:53,839
local seismic activity right yeah

1225
00:55:58,630 --> 00:55:56,319
okay we had the magnetometer who could

1226
00:56:00,390 --> 00:55:58,640
measure the magnetic field

1227
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,400
and we had the radar

1228
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:02,799
and we had the kylie counter which could

1229
00:56:09,030 --> 00:56:06,400
measure any radioactive radiation

1230
00:56:12,630 --> 00:56:09,040
uh the most interesting part was the

1231
00:56:14,549 --> 00:56:12,640
radar and also magnetograph which picked

1232
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:14,559
up something

1233
00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:16,480
wow

1234
00:56:21,430 --> 00:56:20,160
so well then the radar it got it on

1235
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,440
radar

1236
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:24,160
even when nothing was seen by the home

1237
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:25,520
service

1238
00:56:33,470 --> 00:56:29,040
high speed was 30 000 kilometers an hour

1239
00:56:35,990 --> 00:56:33,480
the spectrum analyzer could sometimes be

1240
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:36,000
electromagnetically noise in a broad

1241
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,520
frequency band

1242
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,480
okay

1243
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:40,799
magnetum graph you can measure the

1244
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,680
earth's magnetic field and how it

1245
00:56:49,109 --> 00:56:45,599
changes

1246
00:56:52,390 --> 00:56:49,119
it's not stable it is fluctuation

1247
00:57:00,069 --> 00:56:55,589
it can be magnetical storms or the

1248
00:57:02,710 --> 00:57:00,079
magnetic field as a high activity

1249
00:57:06,230 --> 00:57:02,720
we could measure that

1250
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,240
and some of the observation was during

1251
00:57:12,789 --> 00:57:09,200
high magnetic activity

1252
00:57:14,390 --> 00:57:12,799
most spectacular test was the laser we

1253
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:14,400
used

1254
00:57:22,150 --> 00:57:18,880
not a strong laser very weak

1255
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:22,160
notice very weak laser

1256
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:25,680
red laser one millivolt only that's very

1257
00:57:30,950 --> 00:57:27,280
weak

1258
00:57:32,069 --> 00:57:30,960
we use that to point towards a flashing

1259
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:32,079
light

1260
00:57:36,390 --> 00:57:33,680
and

1261
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:36,400
flashing double the flashing frequency

1262
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:39,599
when it's directed to the laser

1263
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:41,920
or to the to the when we use the laser

1264
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:44,480
directing to it that happened in eight

1265
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:46,559
of nine time

1266
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:49,680
yeah i mentioned this was 53 with all

1267
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:52,559
observation right i mentioned 55 but i

1268
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:56,480
was not sure it was 53 no that's fine

1269
00:58:02,309 --> 00:57:59,599
and rocking motion was sometimes felt

1270
00:58:05,430 --> 00:58:02,319
that was really strange if you can

1271
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,440
imagine you're standing out

1272
00:58:11,109 --> 00:58:08,640
on solid rocks up in the mountain

1273
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,119
yeah and you're having the instruments

1274
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,359
the cameras and so on looking for the

1275
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:15,920
phenomena and some

1276
00:58:23,910 --> 00:58:20,319
suddenly you feel as if you are standing

1277
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:23,920
in the boats in the ocean

1278
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:26,880
waving back and forth

1279
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:27,680
uh

1280
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:30,480
i call it a rocking rocking motion maybe

1281
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,520
it's more correct with saying a waving

1282
00:58:38,710 --> 00:58:35,520
motion

1283
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:38,720
so you can imagine you're standing in

1284
00:58:44,870 --> 00:58:42,480
the post out in the uh ocean

1285
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:44,880
with a look a lot of wave

1286
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,480
and this bose is moving back and forth

1287
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,440
and that was a feeling he was standing

1288
00:58:57,589 --> 00:58:53,839
still under on the

1289
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:57,599
mountain but that was feeling inside

1290
00:59:01,430 --> 00:58:59,040
so some

1291
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:01,440
something disturbed

1292
00:59:09,190 --> 00:59:03,520
your your

1293
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:10,390
yeah

1294
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:14,319
i mentioned interaction because one week

1295
00:59:19,430 --> 00:59:15,839
later

1296
00:59:23,190 --> 00:59:19,440
with a red laser and

1297
00:59:26,309 --> 00:59:23,200
as i mentioned it double the frequency

1298
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:26,319
in eight of nine times

1299
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:31,349
a little bit later

1300
00:59:34,470 --> 00:59:33,200
one week later a little bit more than

1301
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:34,480
one week

1302
00:59:41,510 --> 00:59:37,200
a red laser was seen moving on the

1303
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:41,520
ground close to the feet of the observer

1304
00:59:43,430 --> 00:59:42,720
so

1305
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:43,440
the

1306
00:59:52,870 --> 00:59:50,720
was suddenly coming

1307
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:52,880
and it looked like

1308
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:57,119
the same type of light we used as a red

1309
01:00:02,150 --> 01:00:00,880
the red laser well strange yeah that was

1310
01:00:05,190 --> 01:00:02,160
really strange

1311
01:00:07,589 --> 01:00:05,200
i said i put the text in interaction

1312
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,599
with a question mark so yes

1313
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:09,119
but

1314
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:12,160
it was very easy to think in that in

1315
01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:12,960
that

1316
01:00:17,190 --> 01:00:16,000
ways right

1317
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:17,200
yeah

1318
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:18,880
we had a workshop

1319
01:00:25,670 --> 01:00:22,960
we started in march 1994.

1320
01:00:28,630 --> 01:00:25,680
we had eight different uh

1321
01:00:31,030 --> 01:00:28,640
nation scientists from eight different

1322
01:00:34,870 --> 01:00:31,040
countries and they

1323
01:00:37,030 --> 01:00:34,880
with some famous professor boris miroff

1324
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:37,040
said something defend contains some

1325
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,359
qualitative elements which at the

1326
01:00:44,230 --> 01:00:42,319
present time has no analog in size thus

1327
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:44,240
the solution of this problem must lead

1328
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:46,880
to new concepts in science

1329
01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:55,589
david freiburg of stanford said that

1330
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:58,000
the heston project has established their

1331
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,880
own doubt that the heston lights are

1332
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:03,280
real physical femina

1333
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:04,400
these

1334
01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,920
female lies outside of already known

1335
01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:09,200
physics

1336
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:10,960
that's also

1337
01:01:16,630 --> 01:01:13,200
a strong statement

1338
01:01:17,829 --> 01:01:16,640
absolutely so the the scientist was uh

1339
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,839
interested

1340
01:01:24,549 --> 01:01:18,960
so we

1341
01:01:25,829 --> 01:01:24,559
got 27 of them coming to hessdalen

1342
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,839
for this

1343
01:01:29,270 --> 01:01:28,079
this workshop

1344
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,280
wow

1345
01:01:33,910 --> 01:01:31,599
yeah and i said the press change after

1346
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:33,920
this workshop no more smiling and

1347
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:37,040
reporting about observation

1348
01:01:42,150 --> 01:01:39,440
that was really good

1349
01:01:44,069 --> 01:01:42,160
yeah we had some emla

1350
01:01:46,870 --> 01:01:44,079
field work together with

1351
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:46,880
scientists from italy and so on

1352
01:01:54,150 --> 01:01:53,190
we measured this automatic station

1353
01:01:59,829 --> 01:01:54,160
uh

1354
01:02:03,430 --> 01:01:59,839
hillside in heston you see the maybe the

1355
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,440
small blue box here yeah yeah and

1356
01:02:10,390 --> 01:02:06,400
it's still there and you see

1357
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,400
how it was in 1998 when we started

1358
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:12,559
with the camera outside

1359
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:15,520
then in 2009 we got this tower with the

1360
01:02:24,390 --> 01:02:18,319
radar some cameras up there

1361
01:02:26,069 --> 01:02:25,190
well

1362
01:02:29,029 --> 01:02:26,079
yeah

1363
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:31,510
just a summary

1364
01:02:34,710 --> 01:02:33,359
it is

1365
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:34,720
not

1366
01:02:40,870 --> 01:02:38,640
updated so that's why i went fast

1367
01:02:43,510 --> 01:02:40,880
through it

1368
01:02:50,069 --> 01:02:45,109
one of the pictures

1369
01:02:52,069 --> 01:02:51,029
the

1370
01:02:55,109 --> 01:02:52,079
camera

1371
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:55,119
picture goes into a computer inside the

1372
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,680
blue box which analyze

1373
01:03:00,470 --> 01:02:59,359
the pictures

1374
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:00,480
and

1375
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:03,760
capture what they think is interesting

1376
01:03:10,710 --> 01:03:07,039
and this is one of the lights

1377
01:03:11,910 --> 01:03:10,720
and it seems that it this light has been

1378
01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:11,920
moved

1379
01:03:16,870 --> 01:03:13,200
very fast

1380
01:03:17,670 --> 01:03:16,880
either up or down it's impossible to say

1381
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:17,680
sure

1382
01:03:21,910 --> 01:03:20,160
because we can see when we study this

1383
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:21,920
light we can see

1384
01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:25,599
uh understand that it had a high speed

1385
01:03:28,069 --> 01:03:27,200
right

1386
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:28,079
yeah

1387
01:03:35,589 --> 01:03:33,839
i mentioned uh lights coming out or or

1388
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:35,599
going in to

1389
01:03:45,270 --> 01:03:41,039
uh the the formula here's a series of

1390
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:45,280
video where you see a light is this

1391
01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:48,720
upper here is you see something here

1392
01:03:53,190 --> 01:03:51,039
then it comes a little bit more a little

1393
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,200
bit more a little bit more a little bit

1394
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:55,440
more and then it

1395
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:59,990
another

1396
01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:01,760
similar uh

1397
01:04:05,029 --> 01:04:04,000
observation this is from the fematic

1398
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:05,039
station

1399
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,359
and you see the light it's

1400
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,079
reacted on it started the video recorder

1401
01:04:16,150 --> 01:04:13,359
at that time we don't now we have

1402
01:04:18,710 --> 01:04:16,160
recording directly on the computer

1403
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:18,720
sure and but at this

1404
01:04:21,910 --> 01:04:19,760
time

1405
01:04:23,670 --> 01:04:21,920
we use a video recording

1406
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:23,680
and

1407
01:04:30,390 --> 01:04:27,280
this is the second well the the alarm is

1408
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:30,400
start the video recording and as long as

1409
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:32,799
the video is recording

1410
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:37,440
uh the alarm system doesn't uh

1411
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:40,960
taken any new pictures but as soon as

1412
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:42,960
the picture stops

1413
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:46,559
and the light is there you it took a new

1414
01:04:50,549 --> 01:04:49,520
alarm picture you have a system

1415
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,559
which

1416
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,799
analyzed the pictures all the time when

1417
01:04:57,910 --> 01:04:54,640
they find something interesting it

1418
01:04:59,990 --> 01:04:57,920
defined it as an alarm picture and you

1419
01:05:02,150 --> 01:05:00,000
start recording

1420
01:05:03,430 --> 01:05:02,160
so this picture

1421
01:05:06,630 --> 01:05:03,440
it

1422
01:05:08,630 --> 01:05:06,640
was the alarm picture which started the

1423
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:08,640
recording

1424
01:05:18,150 --> 01:05:15,440
second picture when you start a game

1425
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:18,160
okay and let me see if i you managed to

1426
01:05:22,230 --> 01:05:20,640
see something here

1427
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:22,240
uh

1428
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:23,839
we

1429
01:05:28,630 --> 01:05:25,760
hopefully i can

1430
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:28,640
cut it on to

1431
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:38,710
good well anyway what what you can see

1432
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:41,760
if it's starting

1433
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,680
it will

1434
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:46,240
move across here

1435
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:47,760
right and

1436
01:05:51,829 --> 01:05:48,640
i think

1437
01:05:55,029 --> 01:05:51,839
i should let me see

1438
01:05:57,829 --> 01:05:55,039
move on to tell about the science camp

1439
01:05:59,109 --> 01:05:57,839
where we take young students up in to

1440
01:06:02,829 --> 01:05:59,119
the valley

1441
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,839
right they're intense and so on

1442
01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:04,400
and

1443
01:06:11,190 --> 01:06:07,839
doing research during one week in

1444
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:11,200
histone that was in from 2002

1445
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,400
and

1446
01:06:17,510 --> 01:06:15,119
instruments cameras stay intense during

1447
01:06:19,670 --> 01:06:17,520
the night

1448
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,680
there's a

1449
01:06:23,670 --> 01:06:21,440
map showing

1450
01:06:26,470 --> 01:06:23,680
uh where we had the different uh

1451
01:06:27,589 --> 01:06:26,480
stations of students the red one

1452
01:06:29,910 --> 01:06:27,599
and the

1453
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:29,920
blue box uh where the

1454
01:06:34,630 --> 01:06:32,799
uh which i just told you about was here

1455
01:06:37,829 --> 01:06:34,640
yeah and at that time you had a

1456
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:37,839
headquarter up here in the house right

1457
01:06:42,870 --> 01:06:40,400
well here you see some pictures of the

1458
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:42,880
situation up in the mountains

1459
01:06:47,990 --> 01:06:45,520
where the students stay in tents on

1460
01:06:50,789 --> 01:06:48,000
different teams they have cameras

1461
01:06:53,750 --> 01:06:50,799
outside there also cameras inside the

1462
01:06:56,950 --> 01:06:53,760
tent as you see here with a lot of

1463
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,960
computers and so on and a lot of cameras

1464
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,559
outside

1465
01:07:02,789 --> 01:07:00,559
here's another station

1466
01:07:04,470 --> 01:07:02,799
uh we call it uh

1467
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:04,480
the base camp

1468
01:07:09,510 --> 01:07:06,880
as another

1469
01:07:10,630 --> 01:07:09,520
station we call skarwan

1470
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:10,640
instruments

1471
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:13,200
and so on the same thing

1472
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:14,640
and

1473
01:07:23,190 --> 01:07:21,039
station a jungle you have tents also a

1474
01:07:25,510 --> 01:07:23,200
cabin where you have

1475
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:25,520
instruments inside

1476
01:07:29,670 --> 01:07:27,680
it was possible to

1477
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:29,680
come to this

1478
01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:31,520
camp

1479
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:32,720
by car

1480
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:36,160
so that's why they're staying in in the

1481
01:07:38,230 --> 01:07:37,119
cabin

1482
01:07:42,470 --> 01:07:38,240
other

1483
01:07:44,789 --> 01:07:42,480
to get there

1484
01:07:46,950 --> 01:07:44,799
right

1485
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:46,960
yeah

1486
01:07:54,549 --> 01:07:51,680
and the phenomena can show up anytime

1487
01:07:58,069 --> 01:07:54,559
so it's exciting and the students love

1488
01:08:00,390 --> 01:07:58,079
it and learn signs and experience the

1489
01:08:02,789 --> 01:08:00,400
unknown

1490
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,150
the first science camp 2002

1491
01:08:10,710 --> 01:08:08,799
more than 600

1492
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:10,720
well actually now it's more than

1493
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:11,839
thousand

1494
01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:12,960
wow

1495
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:14,799
students

1496
01:08:20,070 --> 01:08:17,679
the attitude to social nais or change to

1497
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:20,080
the positive and the phenomena become

1498
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,880
more accepted as a real phenomenon

1499
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:24,719
because when you see it

1500
01:08:31,030 --> 01:08:28,239
for yourself and the students see it

1501
01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,040
they it will change their attitude they

1502
01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,839
know it's something there

1503
01:08:39,829 --> 01:08:36,319
yeah we have used a lot of different

1504
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,839
instruments up in the stations where

1505
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:41,040
they bring

1506
01:08:46,229 --> 01:08:43,040
wing

1507
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:46,239
instruments with them up in the tents

1508
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:47,440
yes

1509
01:08:53,669 --> 01:08:50,880
one picture taking from one of the

1510
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,679
field stations

1511
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:55,520
um

1512
01:09:01,189 --> 01:08:58,400
and you see the interesting one is that

1513
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,199
this blue this picture was taken

1514
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,359
uh in the

1515
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:05,120
night time

1516
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:08,480
with a very long exposure time

1517
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:12,000
what you see the lights on the left

1518
01:09:17,030 --> 01:09:13,600
you have seen the

1519
01:09:21,669 --> 01:09:17,040
light from houses in haston

1520
01:09:24,470 --> 01:09:21,679
and the color color you see is we used

1521
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,480
a grating in front of the camera and

1522
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:26,799
then it's possible to see the different

1523
01:09:35,669 --> 01:09:31,199
color this white light consists of

1524
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,679
so if you study this colors

1525
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:37,920
you see some some of them you have some

1526
01:09:43,910 --> 01:09:39,839
spots

1527
01:09:49,430 --> 01:09:43,920
and so on and by analyzing this it's

1528
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:49,440
possible to find out what the

1529
01:09:55,590 --> 01:09:51,920
stuff is in the light

1530
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:55,600
is it the gas or is it anything else

1531
01:10:07,270 --> 01:10:04,070
this blue light was captured and you see

1532
01:10:09,910 --> 01:10:07,280
it was moving during the exposure time

1533
01:10:12,550 --> 01:10:09,920
um it was moving like this

1534
01:10:14,550 --> 01:10:12,560
and it seems to be some kind of

1535
01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:14,560
oscillating

1536
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:17,360
moving

1537
01:10:21,270 --> 01:10:20,159
much so not so far away from what we

1538
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:21,280
measured

1539
01:10:26,870 --> 01:10:25,360
um in 1984 yeah

1540
01:10:28,830 --> 01:10:26,880
um

1541
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,840
we have

1542
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:31,679
had um

1543
01:10:36,229 --> 01:10:33,920
pictures of

1544
01:10:39,350 --> 01:10:36,239
the optical spectrum

1545
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,360
uh you see the

1546
01:10:43,270 --> 01:10:41,120
what's inside the

1547
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:43,280
star here

1548
01:10:49,189 --> 01:10:46,719
is the phenomena and we see the colors

1549
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:49,199
up here and colors down here

1550
01:10:55,189 --> 01:10:53,040
what you see here is something known

1551
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,199
you have light from the church you have

1552
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:57,040
a car who had

1553
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,640
moved in in the valley this is the road

1554
01:11:04,390 --> 01:11:02,960
and this is the optical

1555
01:11:07,270 --> 01:11:04,400
the colors

1556
01:11:09,830 --> 01:11:07,280
from the light in the car

1557
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:09,840
but what's interesting is the colors

1558
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:13,760
coming from this fender which is here

1559
01:11:19,990 --> 01:11:17,360
right and and we have had yeah this is

1560
01:11:24,229 --> 01:11:20,000
just the part of of this one

1561
01:11:26,550 --> 01:11:24,239
and you have some analyzing

1562
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:26,560
what kind of

1563
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:27,600
elements

1564
01:11:33,669 --> 01:11:30,239
which are inside well you have nitrogen

1565
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:33,679
oxygen as as usual but

1566
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,840
you have also scandium

1567
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,960
uh

1568
01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,239
which was

1569
01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:43,189
interesting though

1570
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:45,760
scandium is very

1571
01:11:51,350 --> 01:11:48,320
rare element

1572
01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:51,360
so that it discovered that was very

1573
01:11:55,830 --> 01:11:52,960
strange

1574
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:55,840
i must mention that it was only in these

1575
01:12:02,390 --> 01:11:59,120
two pictures and that was proposed

1576
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:02,400
we have other optical spectrum which

1577
01:12:06,870 --> 01:12:04,239
shows something

1578
01:12:09,510 --> 01:12:06,880
else not continuous

1579
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:09,520
um well well not

1580
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:12,480
not in a way that it possible to pick up

1581
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,760
the elements

1582
01:12:18,310 --> 01:12:16,080
right but it looked like a continuous

1583
01:12:20,470 --> 01:12:18,320
spectrum

1584
01:12:22,070 --> 01:12:20,480
well uh let me see

1585
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:22,080
yeah this uh

1586
01:12:30,149 --> 01:12:27,120
this picture was uh aurora borealis

1587
01:12:32,709 --> 01:12:30,159
uh it was taken uh

1588
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,719
on the date 20th of

1589
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:35,120
september 2007

1590
01:12:38,950 --> 01:12:37,520
ten minutes past nine

1591
01:12:42,630 --> 01:12:38,960
uh

1592
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:42,640
when you have this aurora borealis

1593
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:46,800
there is a lot of magnetic activity in

1594
01:12:53,590 --> 01:12:50,800
the atmosphere yeah that's

1595
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,600
that's natural that's that's common

1596
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:54,719
um

1597
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:57,600
so we know that during this

1598
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:00,719
evening this night it was a high

1599
01:13:07,430 --> 01:13:04,239
magnetic activity

1600
01:13:09,430 --> 01:13:07,440
what happened 10 minutes after this

1601
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,440
picture was taken

1602
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:10,480
this was

1603
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:13,760
taken 10 minutes past nine

1604
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:16,400
uh 9 20

1605
01:13:23,910 --> 01:13:22,790
flashes

1606
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:23,920
started

1607
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:24,800
to

1608
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:26,800
show up

1609
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:33,110
was very short in duration

1610
01:13:37,990 --> 01:13:34,800
it could be

1611
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:38,000
some minutes between each about five

1612
01:13:41,510 --> 01:13:39,679
minutes i think

1613
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,520
uh in the beginning

1614
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:42,560
and

1615
01:13:50,310 --> 01:13:48,880
flash was a little bit shorter

1616
01:13:53,189 --> 01:13:50,320
okay so the

1617
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,199
time between the flashes becomes shorter

1618
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,880
and shorter

1619
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,360
this picture you see here

1620
01:14:00,709 --> 01:13:59,600
is a

1621
01:14:01,750 --> 01:14:00,719
picture

1622
01:14:03,510 --> 01:14:01,760
uh

1623
01:14:05,830 --> 01:14:03,520
which was set up

1624
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:05,840
this is like the

1625
01:14:11,590 --> 01:14:07,760
camera system

1626
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:11,600
was set up to run automatically it took

1627
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:20,149
it was transferred to the computer

1628
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:21,440
directly

1629
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,719
and saved there this was running

1630
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:27,120
automatically all the time

1631
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,760
what you see here is a reference light

1632
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:32,560
we had put a reference light onto

1633
01:14:37,990 --> 01:14:35,199
onto a mountain

1634
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,000
which was could be seen and if you see

1635
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:41,280
the colors up here you can analyze that

1636
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:42,480
and see

1637
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,679
what kind of elements what kind of lamp

1638
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:47,280
we used

1639
01:14:54,870 --> 01:14:50,800
so the hope was that we managed to get

1640
01:14:57,990 --> 01:14:54,880
that reference light together with an

1641
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:58,000
observation sure

1642
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:58,880
yeah

1643
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:02,480
what showed up was this

1644
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:03,280
but

1645
01:15:09,910 --> 01:15:07,520
that happened that was another direction

1646
01:15:10,630 --> 01:15:09,920
than the reference light

1647
01:15:12,950 --> 01:15:10,640
and

1648
01:15:16,390 --> 01:15:12,960
where the camera was pointing

1649
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:16,400
it was a completely different direction

1650
01:15:23,510 --> 01:15:20,320
so this movement the the we had to move

1651
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:23,520
the camera during the exposure time

1652
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:26,480
this light is from this

1653
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:27,600
basic

1654
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:30,560
camp in in the mountainside

1655
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:33,199
and this is the reference light actually

1656
01:15:39,270 --> 01:15:36,239
which was actually down here

1657
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,280
so during the exposure time they moved

1658
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,760
the car they moved the direction of the

1659
01:15:47,990 --> 01:15:44,880
camera it was standing on tripol it

1660
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:48,000
moved it during the exposure time so

1661
01:15:55,270 --> 01:15:51,840
this picture is

1662
01:15:57,270 --> 01:15:55,280
not correct in that way right

1663
01:15:59,910 --> 01:15:57,280
and you see the light which was

1664
01:16:02,950 --> 01:15:59,920
interesting up here but the movement is

1665
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:02,960
maybe due to the movement of the camera

1666
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:03,920
sure

1667
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,640
but the next picture uh

1668
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:08,640
they got this one

1669
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:12,239
and then the camera was standing still

1670
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:13,520
and you see

1671
01:16:17,110 --> 01:16:15,600
the optical spectrum

1672
01:16:19,669 --> 01:16:17,120
we had the camera

1673
01:16:22,310 --> 01:16:19,679
with the grating in front

1674
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:22,320
so the colors of this light

1675
01:16:25,590 --> 01:16:24,480
can be seen down here

1676
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:25,600
and it

1677
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,719
seems to be some kind of continuous

1678
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:30,719
optical spectrum

1679
01:16:34,870 --> 01:16:33,440
which could indicate some

1680
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:34,880
heat

1681
01:16:37,830 --> 01:16:35,760
but

1682
01:16:41,669 --> 01:16:37,840
none has

1683
01:16:45,510 --> 01:16:41,679
ever reported of any heat from this

1684
01:16:50,709 --> 01:16:49,350
but after that outbreak and i mentioned

1685
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:50,719
this

1686
01:16:56,709 --> 01:16:51,920
flashes

1687
01:16:59,110 --> 01:16:56,719
20

1688
01:17:01,669 --> 01:16:59,120
and 5 minutes between

1689
01:17:03,590 --> 01:17:01,679
each flash and they become

1690
01:17:05,669 --> 01:17:03,600
less and less

1691
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:05,679
and at

1692
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,840
nine

1693
01:17:12,870 --> 01:17:10,080
or very close to 10

1694
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:12,880
9 58 you got that

1695
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:15,920
it was two outbreaks and i call it

1696
01:17:19,910 --> 01:17:18,159
outbreak because it was

1697
01:17:22,790 --> 01:17:19,920
not only a flash

1698
01:17:24,790 --> 01:17:22,800
but this uh this big light

1699
01:17:27,910 --> 01:17:24,800
and after that

1700
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:27,920
out i call it outbreak of light

1701
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:28,840
nothing

1702
01:17:33,910 --> 01:17:30,159
was seen

1703
01:17:35,110 --> 01:17:33,920
it was only stars and so on

1704
01:17:36,470 --> 01:17:35,120
so

1705
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:36,480
nothing

1706
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:37,199
no

1707
01:17:43,430 --> 01:17:42,480
or or light or strange thing

1708
01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,440
it

1709
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,159
seems to stop

1710
01:17:50,310 --> 01:17:48,719
uh we had uh

1711
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,320
radar

1712
01:17:53,270 --> 01:17:51,920
also

1713
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:53,280
looking

1714
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:56,000
in the same direction and it's capture

1715
01:18:00,070 --> 01:17:56,960
it

1716
01:18:01,830 --> 01:18:00,080
and what at the radar location

1717
01:18:04,870 --> 01:18:01,840
uh this is the location where the

1718
01:18:08,470 --> 01:18:04,880
picture was taken right this was the

1719
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,480
fincer and you see the light on them

1720
01:18:13,270 --> 01:18:10,480
finso was here

1721
01:18:16,630 --> 01:18:13,280
and the light was actually

1722
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:16,640
behind or further away from

1723
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:18,320
from uh

1724
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,760
fincer

1725
01:18:26,870 --> 01:18:24,320
so but we have a station here too they

1726
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:26,880
saw it in this direction so we could

1727
01:18:32,229 --> 01:18:29,040
could find out where it was

1728
01:18:36,709 --> 01:18:32,239
right there and the direction of the

1729
01:18:41,350 --> 01:18:36,719
size and so on 2.2 kilometers and so on

1730
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:41,360
but anyway what's interesting this radar

1731
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:44,640
was pointing in this direction

1732
01:18:51,270 --> 01:18:49,520
and it started to record

1733
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,280
something

1734
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:52,880
at

1735
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,840
20 35 or

1736
01:19:02,390 --> 01:18:57,920
so that is

1737
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:02,400
nearly one hour before the first flash

1738
01:19:04,950 --> 01:19:03,600
was seen

1739
01:19:07,350 --> 01:19:04,960
i mentioned

1740
01:19:10,870 --> 01:19:07,360
uh 21

1741
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:10,880
uh 20 was the first splash scene

1742
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:17,350
say there is something here

1743
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:23,040
at 20 20 35 wow and this uh radar

1744
01:19:30,550 --> 01:19:27,679
recordings continued uh

1745
01:19:33,590 --> 01:19:30,560
all the time we saw the flashes

1746
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,600
uh and also at the

1747
01:19:38,430 --> 01:19:35,040
10 o'clock

1748
01:19:43,990 --> 01:19:38,440
or 9 58 or

1749
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:46,790
but the radar continued

1750
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:50,640
even if we couldn't see any more flashes

1751
01:19:56,070 --> 01:19:53,199
or any lights at all

1752
01:19:57,030 --> 01:19:56,080
it continued for

1753
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:57,040
i think

1754
01:20:02,229 --> 01:20:00,320
nearly one hour afterwards

1755
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:02,239
before it stopped

1756
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:05,199
so it seems that the phenomena had

1757
01:20:10,550 --> 01:20:07,840
come to the area

1758
01:20:12,790 --> 01:20:10,560
but we couldn't see it

1759
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:12,800
nearly before one hour before this first

1760
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,000
class

1761
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:17,120
and it disappeared

1762
01:20:21,430 --> 01:20:18,480
more than one hour

1763
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:21,440
after the last light we saw

1764
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,080
then the camera didn't see it anymore or

1765
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:27,600
the radar radar didn't see it anymore

1766
01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:30,560
yeah here's some the other one and we

1767
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:32,800
have analyzed the different we are not

1768
01:20:37,669 --> 01:20:35,040
going the true culture or that we

1769
01:20:40,470 --> 01:20:37,679
analyze the optical spectrum

1770
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:40,480
uh calibrated on uh

1771
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:43,199
and it seems to be a lot of ultraviolet

1772
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:44,840
uh line

1773
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:48,639
um yeah that was one of the most

1774
01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,920
interesting observations i have had

1775
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,440
in the

1776
01:20:56,550 --> 01:20:55,199
science camp

1777
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:56,560
right

1778
01:20:59,669 --> 01:20:58,639
yeah i could mention that the science

1779
01:21:01,830 --> 01:20:59,679
camp

1780
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:01,840
which in the beginning was a young

1781
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,440
student

1782
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:05,600
from high schools and so on

1783
01:21:10,229 --> 01:21:08,639
but now we have brought it into our

1784
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:10,239
asphalt university college that

1785
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:13,840
fieldwork in his town and here you can

1786
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,120
choose a

1787
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,400
study subject we call it

1788
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:19,360
um

1789
01:21:23,669 --> 01:21:20,800
field work

1790
01:21:27,030 --> 01:21:23,679
right where they have to the student

1791
01:21:30,070 --> 01:21:27,040
need to prepare the field works out in

1792
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,080
the field with the tents and all the

1793
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,400
logistic

1794
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,120
instruments uh we have the instruments

1795
01:21:37,990 --> 01:21:36,960
though but they have to

1796
01:21:40,870 --> 01:21:38,000
organize

1797
01:21:42,390 --> 01:21:40,880
everything right run a field work so

1798
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,400
this is very

1799
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:44,080
very uh

1800
01:21:56,629 --> 01:21:50,629
yeah that was uh maybe and now i come

1801
01:22:02,390 --> 01:21:58,709
the place in norway

1802
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,400
where a track was set in the snow

1803
01:22:06,870 --> 01:22:04,159
this is the south

1804
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:06,880
west of norway

1805
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,679
in seatte stalls hyena

1806
01:22:14,070 --> 01:22:11,600
some people were standing in this

1807
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:14,080
cottage that's where light was coming in

1808
01:22:19,669 --> 01:22:17,120
front of this uh hillside on the other

1809
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:19,679
side of the lake and stopped and went

1810
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:22,239
down to the snow it was snowed at that

1811
01:22:28,149 --> 01:22:25,040
time they saw it uh here's another

1812
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:28,159
picture you see part of the uh

1813
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,320
roof of this cottage yeah and the view

1814
01:22:37,750 --> 01:22:34,080
they saw it and the

1815
01:22:38,790 --> 01:22:37,760
black cross is where the light had been

1816
01:22:43,510 --> 01:22:38,800
moving

1817
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:43,520
hillside on the other side of the lake

1818
01:22:49,990 --> 01:22:46,719
and stopped there went down on the snow

1819
01:22:53,189 --> 01:22:50,000
it was snow the rare and ice on the lake

1820
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:53,199
it went down on the snow and made some

1821
01:22:57,990 --> 01:22:54,880
tracks in the snow

1822
01:23:00,870 --> 01:22:58,000
and you see the tracks here picture

1823
01:23:02,790 --> 01:23:00,880
about 60 centimeters wide this was

1824
01:23:06,790 --> 01:23:02,800
spiral formed

1825
01:23:08,070 --> 01:23:06,800
uh two and a half meter between each

1826
01:23:09,430 --> 01:23:08,080
and

1827
01:23:12,870 --> 01:23:09,440
the

1828
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:12,880
snow

1829
01:23:17,270 --> 01:23:15,840
and it seems that actually in the track

1830
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:17,280
the snow there

1831
01:23:24,390 --> 01:23:20,719
consisted of very few bacteria

1832
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:24,400
those few bacteria who have survived i

1833
01:23:28,790 --> 01:23:27,280
call it that because it seems that

1834
01:23:30,229 --> 01:23:28,800
the all the other

1835
01:23:34,310 --> 01:23:30,239
bacteria

1836
01:23:36,149 --> 01:23:34,320
which are normal in snow had been killed

1837
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:36,159
it didn't show up

1838
01:23:38,790 --> 01:23:37,360
but those

1839
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:38,800
who showed up

1840
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:41,360
was that another type of bacteria which

1841
01:23:48,870 --> 01:23:47,350
here you see some

1842
01:23:50,310 --> 01:23:48,880
you can

1843
01:23:52,870 --> 01:23:50,320
find out how much

1844
01:23:53,750 --> 01:23:52,880
bacteria there is by counting these dots

1845
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:53,760
here

1846
01:24:00,310 --> 01:23:58,080
a sample of the snow between the tracks

1847
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:00,320
in the middle not so far this is two and

1848
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:03,920
a half meter between right uh so in the

1849
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:06,639
middle is not so far away from the track

1850
01:24:12,950 --> 01:24:09,920
it seems to be normal bacteria as in a

1851
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:12,960
reference further away

1852
01:24:17,270 --> 01:24:14,719
so

1853
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:17,280
the bacteria hadn't been killed there it

1854
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,120
had been killed just beneath the track

1855
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:23,600
right that's incredible yeah

1856
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,840
i mentioned i have been to other places

1857
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:26,880
too is

1858
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:30,080
in australia they call it the minimalist

1859
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:31,040
yes

1860
01:24:33,830 --> 01:24:32,560
similar

1861
01:24:35,910 --> 01:24:33,840
light

1862
01:24:38,470 --> 01:24:35,920
blue flashes

1863
01:24:40,229 --> 01:24:38,480
manus i took this picture where you got

1864
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,239
three

1865
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:42,239
flashes

1866
01:24:45,270 --> 01:24:43,199
and

1867
01:24:48,709 --> 01:24:45,280
the reason why i managed to take that

1868
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:48,719
picture is that when i was out in the

1869
01:24:54,629 --> 01:24:51,280
field there i believed i saw some

1870
01:24:58,310 --> 01:24:54,639
flashes but they're lost lasting so

1871
01:25:00,550 --> 01:24:58,320
short in time so we are not sure if

1872
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:00,560
there is something or not

1873
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:04,400
but i know also i knew from heston that

1874
01:25:11,430 --> 01:25:06,960
when they started to show up

1875
01:25:14,709 --> 01:25:11,440
uh very likely that they continue so not

1876
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,719
only one flash but several flashes

1877
01:25:17,669 --> 01:25:16,560
coming in a very

1878
01:25:19,669 --> 01:25:17,679
in a

1879
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:19,679
short period of time

1880
01:25:23,270 --> 01:25:21,760
so i took the picture and managed to

1881
01:25:25,590 --> 01:25:23,280
capture

1882
01:25:28,070 --> 01:25:25,600
some of the flashes

1883
01:25:29,709 --> 01:25:28,080
here's another flashlight

1884
01:25:31,510 --> 01:25:29,719
yeah i could mention i had some

1885
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:31,520
magnetometer mid

1886
01:25:37,669 --> 01:25:34,400
to the measure earth magnetic field and

1887
01:25:40,550 --> 01:25:37,679
this was x very exciting the day

1888
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,560
we had the most observation we had four

1889
01:25:46,149 --> 01:25:42,639
observation of the most

1890
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:46,159
one of the nights we were out there

1891
01:25:48,709 --> 01:25:47,600
and

1892
01:25:49,990 --> 01:25:48,719
the blue

1893
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,000
are the

1894
01:25:55,669 --> 01:25:52,320
the black arrows indicate where we had

1895
01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:55,679
the observation and

1896
01:26:00,470 --> 01:25:58,960
see that the magnetic field increased in

1897
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:00,480
intensity

1898
01:26:05,830 --> 01:26:03,520
the the size of this

1899
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:05,840
this green

1900
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,400
you can look at the green stuff

1901
01:26:13,430 --> 01:26:10,560
uh it's

1902
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:13,440
very big yeah yeah

1903
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:16,719
and here just here we and then this was

1904
01:26:21,669 --> 01:26:19,920
recorded onto a writer

1905
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:21,679
this was uh

1906
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,480
before you have these laptops where you

1907
01:26:28,310 --> 01:26:25,920
can

1908
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:28,320
bring with you and record everything

1909
01:26:31,750 --> 01:26:30,080
onto the laptop

1910
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,760
we had a

1911
01:26:35,110 --> 01:26:34,320
writer with paper

1912
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,120
which

1913
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:37,600
wrote down

1914
01:26:42,149 --> 01:26:40,320
the signals from the magnetical sensor

1915
01:26:43,270 --> 01:26:42,159
we had with us

1916
01:26:45,750 --> 01:26:43,280
and

1917
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:45,760
i wanted to know how far

1918
01:26:53,110 --> 01:26:49,920
fast this moved so i increased the speed

1919
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,120
of the writer just here

1920
01:26:58,470 --> 01:26:56,639
so i could find the frequency and it was

1921
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:58,480
a 2 hertz

1922
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:00,800
and then i went back to normal speed

1923
01:27:04,550 --> 01:27:01,840
again

1924
01:27:05,669 --> 01:27:04,560
so this is that was strange

1925
01:27:08,229 --> 01:27:05,679
wow

1926
01:27:11,590 --> 01:27:08,239
i could also mention that we had power

1927
01:27:13,510 --> 01:27:11,600
failures i could also mention that uh i

1928
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:13,520
mentioned that in heston

1929
01:27:15,830 --> 01:27:14,320
but

1930
01:27:19,270 --> 01:27:15,840
i didn't

1931
01:27:22,550 --> 01:27:19,280
tell about the batteries

1932
01:27:23,669 --> 01:27:22,560
very often we had batteries problems

1933
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:23,679
we

1934
01:27:29,990 --> 01:27:27,520
put new batteries into our equipment

1935
01:27:31,189 --> 01:27:30,000
those who needed the battery

1936
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:31,199
when we go

1937
01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:33,600
before we go out in the field

1938
01:27:37,189 --> 01:27:35,600
and when we are out in the field they

1939
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:37,199
stopped working

1940
01:27:40,629 --> 01:27:38,320
wow

1941
01:27:45,189 --> 01:27:42,310
and it seems to be

1942
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:45,199
no power at all

1943
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:46,560
and uh

1944
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:49,120
we had several batteries we we changed

1945
01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:52,480
batteries uh all the time

1946
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:56,880
to get fresh and but i lasted very short

1947
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:58,400
and

1948
01:28:03,830 --> 01:28:01,040
we had a bunch of batteries we thought

1949
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:03,840
we we have to throw them away there are

1950
01:28:06,470 --> 01:28:05,679
no power left

1951
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:06,480
right

1952
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:09,040
but we decided to

1953
01:28:14,629 --> 01:28:11,040
just check

1954
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:14,639
if there was really empty

1955
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:18,639
but we measured they were full

1956
01:28:24,470 --> 01:28:21,920
voltage again that's right so when the

1957
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,480
battery was out in the field

1958
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:25,920
it didn't

1959
01:28:31,110 --> 01:28:28,560
have any voltage at all

1960
01:28:33,270 --> 01:28:31,120
but when it was

1961
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:33,280
back from the field not in the field

1962
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:34,560
anymore

1963
01:28:43,910 --> 01:28:41,350
yeah this is another thing from

1964
01:28:45,669 --> 01:28:43,920
headstone

1965
01:28:48,629 --> 01:28:45,679
it's a big

1966
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:48,639
piece of wet soil which was

1967
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:49,760
moved

1968
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:51,600
from

1969
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,440
this place

1970
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:55,360
not so very far

1971
01:29:02,790 --> 01:28:58,880
but the strange thing it was big

1972
01:29:03,669 --> 01:29:02,800
and it was moved in one piece

1973
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:03,679
no one

1974
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,040
saw them none none saw the movement

1975
01:29:12,070 --> 01:29:10,800
but

1976
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:12,080
they saw

1977
01:29:25,189 --> 01:29:22,950
at a hunting season and they found this

1978
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,199
and it was uh

1979
01:29:29,110 --> 01:29:26,880
really strange

1980
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:29,120
that such big

1981
01:29:32,790 --> 01:29:30,400
piece

1982
01:29:34,629 --> 01:29:32,800
of red soil could be

1983
01:29:36,830 --> 01:29:34,639
moved out

1984
01:29:39,350 --> 01:29:36,840
and moved some meters

1985
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:39,360
without damage

1986
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:42,480
yeah you see it is one piece that was

1987
01:29:50,870 --> 01:29:48,629
this is uh strange

1988
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,880
picture taking in the daytime

1989
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:56,390
so

1990
01:29:59,110 --> 01:29:57,830
it was seen

1991
01:30:02,550 --> 01:29:59,120
when

1992
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:03,990
afterwards

1993
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:06,639
right and the strange thing as this cube

1994
01:30:11,830 --> 01:30:08,639
the black thing is towards the sun the

1995
01:30:14,550 --> 01:30:11,840
sun is coming from this direction and

1996
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:14,560
the black thing is to that

1997
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:18,000
yeah i can we are finished now a lot of

1998
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,000
things speculation of course uh

1999
01:30:26,310 --> 01:30:23,920
yeah we're not going through that i

2000
01:30:27,189 --> 01:30:26,320
think we we finished there

2001
01:30:28,550 --> 01:30:27,199
so

2002
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,560
we managed

2003
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:30,239
to finish

2004
01:30:34,550 --> 01:30:33,679
let me see if i can yeah you can uh

2005
01:30:35,350 --> 01:30:34,560
yeah

2006
01:30:40,470 --> 01:30:35,360
not

2007
01:30:42,629 --> 01:30:40,480
so

2008
01:30:44,310 --> 01:30:42,639
anybody that wants to anybody that wants

2009
01:30:45,910 --> 01:30:44,320
to actually sort of keep up to date with

2010
01:30:46,870 --> 01:30:45,920
what's going on is it the best thing to

2011
01:30:49,590 --> 01:30:46,880
do is to

2012
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,600
to visit the uh project hairstyle and

2013
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:51,120
website just is that right

2014
01:30:58,629 --> 01:30:57,110
i'll make sure to put that in the

2015
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:58,639
description of the video when i when i

2016
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:00,840
post it on youtube as well

2017
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,320
yes so people can just click it direct

2018
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:08,790
well listen erling thank you so much

2019
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:11,440
that was absolutely fascinating

2020
01:31:15,270 --> 01:31:13,679
and uh i just wish you nothing but the

2021
01:31:17,350 --> 01:31:15,280
best in the future for for your

2022
01:31:18,470 --> 01:31:17,360
continued work

2023
01:31:20,390 --> 01:31:18,480
thank you

2024
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,400
and uh i will be keeping up to date with

2025
01:31:24,310 --> 01:31:22,239
with the website and and that so maybe

2026
01:31:26,229 --> 01:31:24,320
in the future if you have some some new

2027
01:31:29,030 --> 01:31:26,239
results then maybe we can speak again on

2028
01:31:33,830 --> 01:31:31,910
very yeah thank you ever so much i i

2029
01:31:36,790 --> 01:31:33,840
really appreciate your time

2030
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:36,800
yeah great thank you thank you for

2031
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:38,159
having me